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« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2005, 06:44:07 PM » |
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Thats just a disgrace and those people should be hung by their balls and torured for a 100 years give or take a few thousand years.
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What I say won't make a diff, but I'm going to say it anyhow. A friend of ours owns a '93 Cobra. He has a mild AFR-headed 306. The car always ran unbelievably well.......he averaged 11.70s. Get this.......I would rate him on a scale of 1-10 (10 being an exceptional driver) as a true 9. His shifts were always clean, launch was phenomenal..........and then he went to a C4. His car ended up running around 11.40 after he switched to an automatic. He laughed his ass off and said "Maybe I'm not such a great driver". I always thought he was an excellent driver, but in his eyes, the timeslips told all.  |
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« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2005, 04:43:21 AM » |
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HA! thats what i thought. a 90 shot. I figured u were using spray, and a steeper gear than me only to run slower. remember u said I didnt have a handle on my own car. HA! Looks like I have a better handle on my car than you do. and mine too is daily driver, ran with 26-10.5-15 et streets. 4.10 gear vs 3.73 90 shot vs naturally aspirated 7.20 vs 7.33 hmmmmm .... who does it look like has the handle on their car?  |
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« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2005, 05:41:00 AM » |
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Yeah buddy. You sure showed me.  You forgot a few comparisons... LX vs. GT 588 solid cam vs. B303 Barry Grant carb vs. stock fuel injection But I digress. I could go on about how I've only got 9 passes on the current combo, bla bla, but I won't. With your attitude, it's easy to tell that you already know it all. Good luck with that 5 speed, man. All of us giving you examples of why your car will slow down are obviously clueless, so prove us wrong (or right). Have a ball. In the mean time, once I grenade this 302, I'll be proving you wrong concerning the LS1 versus SBF thing too. We'll see if I can't go 6.50s with a $3500 budget. |
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« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2005, 06:03:22 AM » |
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ok.. CHEVY ENGINES BELONG IN CHEVY'S! FORDS BELONG IN FORDS! PLAIN AND SIMPLE! it doesn't matter who has the better engine... it's the princaple... IMHO people that do such things like this have no knowledge or skill to make the correct motor work n the correct car.... My buddy is a DIE HARD chevy guy.. he's building a nova taht will be running 6's.. it's a chevy, with a chevy motor.. but guess who he works for? DWAYNE GUTHRIDGE.. you know.. DR king.. MUSTANG... my buddy can get as much pwer if not more, out of a NA ford block then a chevy block..He's helping me put my combo together, and I'm almost gauraunteed mid to high 11's on motor, with slicks.. and that's with a 306, ported gt40 heads an E-cam and and edlebrock intake..
so which motor is better? NEITHER they are equal.
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« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2005, 07:26:38 AM » |
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That was the most f***ed up use for someones time I have ever seen. That shouldn't even be called a mustang after that.!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2005, 07:33:57 AM » |
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Joe, you're once again comapring a SBC to an SBF, and that isn't the issue at hand. An LS1 cannot be compared to an SBC, it is superior in every sense of the word, until you start spending absolute megabucks on a SBC.
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« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2005, 07:39:48 AM » |
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Charles, my comparison was to the EL ES JUAN....
There are plenty of sbf out there that whoop on ls1's all day long, and believe it or not, the sbf don't have all that much money loaded into them.. it's the person building it imho..if they know their stuff they can get any engine to do anything...
But you can take a 351 and whoop on an ls1 for the same cost.. the s1 "might" be superior to the 302, but if you think about it.. it has 48 more cubes.. ow if you take a 302, add a few dollars, and start whooping ls1's, that is a good motor.. undertand what I'm saying?
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« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2005, 07:41:42 AM » |
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built ford tough with chevy stuff...
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« Reply #69 on: March 14, 2005, 07:47:25 AM » |
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Charles, my comparison was to the EL ES JUAN....
There are plenty of sbf out there that whoop on ls1's all day long, and believe it or not, the sbf don't have all that much money loaded into them.. it's the person building it imho..if they know their stuff they can get any engine to do anything...
But you can take a 351 and whoop on an ls1 for the same cost.. the s1 "might" be superior to the 302, but if you think about it.. it has 48 more cubes.. ow if you take a 302, add a few dollars, and start whooping ls1's, that is a good motor.. undertand what I'm saying?
your a dope just like that other guy spouting off about how good his car is... exactly what 351 are you taking and whooping on LS1's? oh...the one you spent as much building as the SBF...so there again proving the point. i bleed ford blue and hate chevy, but i dont hate just for the sake of hating, those people are called haters...i am not a hater and ill even give props where they are due, and the LS1 is due some props (to put it ghetto) and i can say that if i spent half of the ungodly amount of money i spent on my car on an LS1 id see ALOT better timeslips. |
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« Reply #70 on: March 14, 2005, 08:15:01 AM » |
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your a dope just like that other guy spouting off about how good his car is...
exactly what 351 are you taking and whooping on LS1's? oh...the one you spent as much building as the SBF...so there again proving the point.
i bleed ford blue and hate chevy, but i dont hate just for the sake of hating, those people are called haters...i am not a hater and ill even give props where they are due, and the LS1 is due some props (to put it ghetto)
and i can say that if i spent half of the ungodly amount of money i spent on my car on an LS1 id see ALOT better timeslips.
listen ass.. if you read what I'm saying is that if you know your s***, it doesn't matter what motor you have.. it will make power... Everyone and their mother praises the ls1 to holyhigh heaven, but in reality. it's nothing special.. I bleed ford blue, just like 99% of the people on this board..I don't hate chevy's, my father has one.. and I work on it with him. a 96 impala ss to be exact... the motor in the car.. an ls1 I believe.. is nothing special.. I've seen foxes kick the s*** out of camaro's and firechickens, stock for stock.. it's not unheard of. |
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« Reply #71 on: March 14, 2005, 08:22:44 AM » |
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The motor in your Impala is an LT1, which indeed is nothing special. It bears no common parts with the LS1, which is something special.
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« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2005, 08:27:26 AM » |
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Yeah I would cross bread as a last resort.. But it would simply have to be the best option out there.. This was not done because it was the best option, it was done for "Show POP".....
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« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2005, 08:33:08 AM » |
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I've seen foxes kick the s*** out of camaro's and firechickens, stock for stock.. it's not unheard of.
i to have seen a stock fox kick the s*** out of 98 and older camaros and firebirds, i have NEVER seen a STOCK fox take out a STOCK LS1... |
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« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2005, 08:34:03 AM » |
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I've seen foxes kick the s*** out of camaro's and firechickens, stock for stock.. it's not unheard of.
i to have seen a stock fox kick the s*** out of 98 and older camaros and firebirds, i have NEVER seen a STOCK fox take out a STOCK LS1... spend more time at the track and you might see it... it's happend. |
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« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2005, 08:35:09 AM » |
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I've seen foxes kick the s*** out of camaro's and firechickens, stock for stock.. it's not unheard of.
i to have seen a stock fox kick the s*** out of 98 and older camaros and firebirds, i have NEVER seen a STOCK fox take out a STOCK LS1... spend more time at the track and you might see it... it's happend. ill put the blind guy in the LS1 and you can drive the fox...maybe you got a shot if you get him off the line... |
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« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2005, 08:36:22 AM » |
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oh wait.. just because you have never seen it happen, I guess it can't happen. I forgot you're god.. |
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« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2005, 08:39:08 AM » |
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I don't believe I've ever seen it happen, and I am not God. I have, however, probably been to the track more than both of you combined. Barring the occasional stripped out 87 coupe, seeing a fox go 8.40s stock is a rare occurance, yet it happens frequently with F bodies. Now imagine that LS1 engine in the aforementioned stripped out fox, and you see the benefits of cross breeding.
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« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2005, 08:39:52 AM » |
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no, Ralph is god....and im not saying that it never happened, i am saying that its not by fault of the motor that it happened...sorry if i have to spell things out...the blind guy, he represents a "bad driver" and you, you represent "any driver that can see the tree" thats when these things happen...to say a stock fox can out run a stock LS1 is moronic, retarded, not intelligent, ignorant, and...dumb...think with your head not your heart...
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« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2005, 08:42:32 AM » |
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yep! that's it! you said it! a box stock 302 can't ever beat the GOD OF ALL MOTORS (ls1) that is also box stock..and because you've never seen it, means it didn't happen.. |
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« Reply #80 on: March 14, 2005, 08:49:15 AM » |
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A particularly healthy "factory freak" 87 LX 5.0 coupe might be able to beat a particularly sick LS1 car, I'll certainly concede that. Case in point is my buddy Zac's 98 Z28. It had way over 100,000 miles on it, and it only runs 9.10 or so in the 1/8 mile. Most fox cars will run right in that area totally stock, and a strong coupe will dip into the 8s. Therefore, a strong coupe will outrun a sick Z28.
Conversely, my average joe 87 LX 5.0 coupe ran 9.0s totally stock, with 167k miles on the clock. It had 2.73 gears, and I went thru the traps on the limiter in 2nd gear. My buddy Jay bought a brand new 2001 Z28 with an auto trans and loaded out. Completely stock as new it went an 8.68 in the 1/8 mile. He completely wiped the floor with my decent running coupe, stock for stock.
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« Reply #81 on: March 14, 2005, 08:56:41 AM » |
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your right, ive never seen it...but i never said it didnt happen, i said that if it did, it wasnt cuz of the motor, it was caused by the little thing between the steering wheel and seat...
now use the little thing between your ears and open your eyes...the LS1 is a far superior motor to a stock 302...
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« Reply #82 on: March 14, 2005, 09:01:57 AM » |
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ok.. well.. think about it. a 350 compared to a 302..... the 302 isn't far behind the 350..(ls1) but you have 48 more cubes.. so a 302 running 9.0 in the 8th and a 350 running and 8.60 in the 8th.. well that's no to far off.. now take a 351w (one more cube the the ls1) and then what do you have? a motor that will eat an las1.. so for a 302 to be a couple tenths behind a 350 isn't bad at all... so why don't people worship the 302? why is the ls1 the motor of all motors.. take a look at the big picture.. the motor isn't s***..
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« Reply #83 on: March 14, 2005, 09:04:40 AM » |
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ill ask again...what 351w are you talking about? unless your talking about one that has $$$$ into it, then i agree, it will be faster, but what 351 are you putting into a mustang and making it run faster than an ls1?
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« Reply #84 on: March 14, 2005, 09:04:56 AM » |
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i asked that question earlier and you ignored it
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« Reply #85 on: March 14, 2005, 09:05:47 AM » |
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wait...let me get the one from my dads F150...wait that one only has 185hp in stock form...f*** that wont get it done...
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« Reply #86 on: March 14, 2005, 09:07:51 AM » |
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whatever a******.. I'm not going to bother with you anymore.. you're to f***ing thick headed.... you want to worship a motor that's s*** so be it.. sell your car and go get a camaro then.. you have the attitude that goes along with an owner of one of those cars... |
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« Reply #87 on: March 14, 2005, 09:10:06 AM » |
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i dont want a camaro...i want a mustang...but i, unlike you, can see when there are nice things out there...and i can answer questions too...
come to think of it, i have never seen a 351w in stock form in a fox...if someones going to the effort to put one in there, they usually say...f*** this 185hp isnt enough to get it done, maybe i should do some work while i got it out...
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« Reply #88 on: March 14, 2005, 09:10:51 AM » |
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hahahahaha...im the one being thick headed...thats funny...cuz you dont seem to be listening to a thing im saying
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« Reply #89 on: March 14, 2005, 09:12:05 AM » |
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there are a couple things worth noting here...
The LS1 is 346 cubic inches. My comparison was a 5 speed LX to an automatic Z28. I've only ever owned one AOD fox, and with complete exhaust system it went 10.0s in the 1/8.
People worship the LSx because it's taken pushrod technology to the next plateau. The highest output 351 Ford ever put in a street car was the 300 horse version in the 95 Cobra R. Don't go bringing up the gross HP ratings from the 60s-70s either, because it's common knowledge that those engines were significantly less than 300 net HP.
Now look at the LS1, it goes from anywhere between 305 HP and a nasty 405. That's on pump gas, passing emissions, and getting 29mpg on the highway. What's not to love about that? Don't even mention the LS2 and LS7, which are downright awe-inspiring.
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