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« on: May 17, 2007, 07:24:51 PM » |
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Chris and I installed the trans the other day, but couldn't get it aligned. The bottom end is touching, but the top is about an eighth inch out, and the bolts won't turn anymore. I have since tried jacking up the very rear of the trans while putting a block of wood on top of the middle of the trans. No good. I've tried loosening all bolts, wiggling and banging on the trans (I looked funny wiggling under the car  ), and retightening the bolts a a bit at a time, but nothing helped. The next two pics show how close it is...   |
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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2007, 07:31:41 PM » |
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Any advice or suggestions to get this PITA lined up would be much appreciated! |
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2007, 07:32:32 PM » |
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can you hook up the clutch cable? I would depress the clutch and let everything slide together... BTW, I never trust an alignment tool, and am extremely anal about how I align clutches just to avoid this problem.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2007, 07:34:08 PM » |
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btw, i would also take a bit of the tension off all the bolts before you break an ear.
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« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2007, 07:35:11 PM » |
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Huh. I used the SPEC clutch tool. Can I blame Steve?  It did take a bit of effort to get the clutch tool out, now that I think about it. I could hook up the clutch cable. |
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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2007, 07:35:31 PM » |
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btw, i would also take a bit of the tension off all the bolts before you break an ear.
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« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2007, 07:36:02 PM » |
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after bolting up the pressure plate, slowly and evenly, did you slide your tool in and out to make sure it moved through the hole with no friction?
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« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2007, 07:36:28 PM » |
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btw, i would also take a bit of the tension off all the bolts before you break an ear.
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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2007, 07:40:24 PM » |
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after bolting up the pressure plate, slowly and evenly, did you slide your tool in and out to make sure it moved through the hole with no friction?
I can't remember doing that, so I'm thinking that's a no.  They Chiltons manual didn't say to do that. |
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« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2007, 07:41:57 PM » |
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when you bolt the pressure plate down, it can move the disk slightly and will cause the shaft to bind during install. Was this trans already used with this flywheel?
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« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2007, 07:47:26 PM » |
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if this is the problem, and I suspect strongly that it is, depressing the clutch will cause it to pop right together.  |
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« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2007, 07:49:49 PM » |
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when you bolt the pressure plate down, it can move the disk slightly and will cause the shaft to bind during install. Was this trans already used with this flywheel?
No, sir, it is a new flywheel. |
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« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2007, 07:50:14 PM » |
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I forget, do these things have a pilot bearing?
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« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2007, 07:50:55 PM » |
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Mr. Perret, I will buy you a beer at the track in a couple weeks. I'll let you know how this goes.  And yes, there is a pilot bearing. It is new as well. |
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« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2007, 07:53:49 PM » |
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last question. can the pilot bearing be pushed out the back or does the crank keep it from moving at all. The reason I ask is that with the force you have use to get this thing to line up, it is possible that you have pushed the pilot back from its normal resting point too. If it can move back, i would recommend pulling it apart and reinstalling everything from the crank back. This is a lot better time to fix it then later when its completely installed. Again, this only matters if the pilot bearing can be pushed from its normal seat.
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« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2007, 08:00:44 PM » |
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I suppose it's technically possible, but it's pressed in there awfully darn tight. I don't think that's the issue, but that's an interesting point.
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« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2007, 08:14:22 PM » |
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Gravel's right...hook the clutch cable up, have a helper depress it, and the trans will slip right in flush
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« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2007, 08:19:50 PM » |
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Thanks! I'll try it! |
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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2007, 03:45:17 AM » |
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can you hook up the clutch cable? I would depress the clutch and let everything slide together... BTW, I never trust an alignment tool, and am extremely anal about how I align clutches just to avoid this problem.
That's what you need to do. trying to draw it together with the bolts will break something. |
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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2007, 01:11:37 AM » |
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I always look for the obvious stuff first, so what I am about to say is basic, but often overlooked.
What they said will probably work, but if it doesn't, you may also check the threads of the bolts and the hole to see if they are marred. Make sure there is nothing obstructing it from moving up(probably already did this, but I had to say it). Also, you may want to back out the lower bolts a little so that you have about an 1/8" gap there, and try tightening the top to see if that allows it to move a little. Don't force it though.
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2007, 08:04:19 AM » |
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Clutch cable is hooked up, clutch is depressed. Nada. Trans still doesn't sit right.
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2007, 08:06:40 AM » |
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Don, those are all good suggestions, still doesn't work.
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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2007, 08:14:06 AM » |
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I am at a loss, what Steve told you should have worked. That's what I've had to do in the past and it's always worked and I agree that forcing the issue is just going to break something.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2007, 08:18:55 AM » |
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Slap an aero nose on it.
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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2007, 08:56:31 AM » |
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pilot bearing f-ed up? That would cause a 1/8" gap!!
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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2007, 09:28:45 AM » |
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Is it the exact same trans, bellhousing, and input shaft that came out of the car in the first place?
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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2007, 09:35:36 AM » |
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Yeah Ditto on the clutch, but I guess that didn't work. Did you check the alignment dowels to make sure there was no gunk or crud on them? Probably OK. DON'T pull the trans up to the engine by the bolts, you run the risk of snapping them. Good luck.  I have to go for now...I know how frustrating that is though, I've been there before. |
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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2007, 10:47:20 AM » |
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Figured it out, I think.
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2007, 10:55:09 AM » |
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Make sure to loosen the trans bolts so there is no binding. You might have to push in the clutch and jiggle the trans to get it all the way in, so to speak.
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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2007, 11:12:57 AM » |
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Make sure to loosen the trans bolts so there is no binding. You might have to push in the clutch and jiggle the trans to get it all the way in, so to speak.
I don't think that's the issue...   I am not sure, but think I might have gotten the wrong clutch. The spline doesn't match up. |
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