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« Reply #30 on: September 15, 2007, 02:55:44 PM » |
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I've done a T-56 a couple times by myself, and that is a LOT bigger than a T-5. T-5 is teeny weeny, you'll have no problem.
Unless it's loaded with G-force parts.
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« Reply #31 on: September 15, 2007, 02:57:30 PM » |
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Doubling up the wrenches is fun until they slip and you hit something that's got a ragged edge and doesn't move   Yeah I always wear gloves, and hold one hand at the joint, and pull the wrenches towards me if I can so that I don't bash them on something. Is there a better way to do it? Yes a fart can muffler cheater pipe.
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« Reply #32 on: September 15, 2007, 03:04:09 PM » |
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Forget the drain pan. Get a plug for the rear seal of the transmission. Take out the driveshaft, put the plug in. Put a good quality plastic bag ( ziploc or something, not a walmart bag) and zip tie or duct tape it on.
If you have everything else off, replace the rear main seal in the engine while you're at it.
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2007, 11:30:22 PM » |
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If ya lived closer man I could get someone at the shop do it on the side for $100. Anything I didn't feel like messing with I paid a small fee for and had them do it.
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2007, 04:53:36 AM » |
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chowder.....arent you the one with the 20 page schrader valve thread?
/speaking loudly through an extreme makeover megaphone/ STAY AWAY FROM THE CAR! I REPEAT....STAY AWAY FROM THE CAR!!!!
with that said, all joking aside....pay someone to do it. or stay by someones side willing to spend the time and teach you while you do it.
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F*** that, more is better...excess is best...rock the f*** on Just stop typing. Please. For the love of God. Cry me a river. Then build a bridge and get over it. 
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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2007, 05:36:52 AM » |
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f*** $300-$400. There is nothing complicated about it. You can get it done. He's biased since he works in a shop and tries to keep them all in business with minor projects like this.  Just like he told Cara that she couldn't build her engine. I she can build an engine (not a knock on her by any means), you can replace a clutch foo! I stand by what I said about building an engine. Not to mention the fact that nowadays it is infinitely cheaper to buy an engine ready to go than it is to build it. Cara's engine is still down over 100rwhp from where it was before. I don't see belt slip and tuning picking that up. What you fail to see, Dave, is that we've got more than enough work to keep us busy if we quit taking cars in for a month. What you also don't see are the kids that tried to do it themselves, or took it to someone to do it on the side because they'd do it cheaper. Case in point. I have a customer who is a bit of a penny pincher. We charge $250 to install gears, he asked around for a month until he could find someone to do it cheaper (I'm guessing around $125). I'm not going to mention names, but let's just say he built a few "Timebomb" cars (hint hint). Kid drives 2.5 hours to get the gears installed, gets it done, pays the guy, and then drives home with the rearend howling. Called me up the next day to ask how much it would cost for us to just set the gear pattern up correctly. Once I had verified that he had put more than a mile or two on it, I told him he was f***ed. So now, because he wanted to save roughly fifty bucks (not counting his lost time), it will cost him the cost of the first gear install, two sets of gears, the $20.00 in synthetic fluid plus new fluid, plus our labor to replace all the stuff, not counting any bearings that might be f***ed up in the process. This is not an isolated incident. I would say probably 30-50% of the cars in our lot are there because their owners did not know what they were doing and had their friends on the internet tell them they could do it easily. As I said before, Dave, if he f***s this up, are you going to fly down and fix it for him for free? You have no responsibility in this action, but if he pays a reputable party to do it, they do. I don't need to dig into open wounds on the LT1, but you've had similar experiences.
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« Reply #36 on: September 16, 2007, 06:04:48 AM » |
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If attempts and gets stuck then he'll have to pay someone to tow it to finish too. It's not that difficult a job, if it's your first time though you'll just have to take your time, it can be done. Also, yes do the exhaust while you're at it.
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« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2007, 12:46:46 PM » |
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Timebomb.  I wouldn't let that guy touch my car for free, never mind pay him to work on something. Which is why I prefer to do all my own work. You never know what kind of moron you're going to get on the other end wrenching on your car unless you personally know that person and their skills, and that they don't take shortcuts. Certain things I wouldn't recommend people do based on what I've seen of their abilities; but I can't see too much going wrong on a clutch install. That's just me though. I do see where you are coming from on all these people that get in over their heads. Sounds like there are enough people in the area to help him out if he gets in a pinch, as well as plenty of people around here to walk him through s*** should he need it. You don't learn to work on a car by paying someone else to do it. I would not recommend he go install gears, I'm not saying that. Don't try and point the finger at me about the LT1. I didn't build it yet I'm still dealing with the problems.
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« Reply #38 on: September 16, 2007, 03:34:58 PM » |
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Hmmm.... The more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards actually doing it myself. Will it take longer for me than most peeps? Undoubtedly, yes. It certainly seems doable though and that's the only reason I'm considering. When I received my 3.73 gears, I didn't even think about installing them myself. I took my car in to a reputable shop for that one. But for projects that seem doable such as this job, I'd like to try it out. Like Dave mentioned, if I get stuck in a bind, there's plenty of people that can help me out, such as you guys. If it gets real bad, I'll let Kevin know he can come down and help me sort out the mess I've made.  So, what exactly do I need parts list wise besides of course the clutch, tob, and flywheel? Dave, you mentioned a new pilot bushing/bearing. Could I get these parts at a local parts store? Any ideas for the best brand or are they all pretty much created the same? Anything else parts wise? If somethings relatively inexpensive and is best to replace while I'm at it, I'd like to do that. Oh, and I found this tech guide. Can someone give it a look over and ensure it's pretty reliable? http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?p=6957073#post6957073Thanks again everyone for the help, it's very much appreciated.
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« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2007, 03:42:24 PM » |
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Hmmmmmm
What does tranny s*** smell like? Normal s***?
How do you replace tranny s***?
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« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2007, 03:44:10 PM » |
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I meant it to say tranny stuff. But I decided it would be cool to replace the last three characters with asterisks to look like I said another term for fecal matter.
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« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2007, 03:48:58 PM » |
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of headers are they?
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« Reply #42 on: September 16, 2007, 04:20:47 PM » |
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BBK ceramic coated LT's. Yeah, I know....going to be a b**** over shorties install wise but it'll be worth it. I've already started searching through threads on the best way to install these beasts. 
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« Reply #43 on: September 16, 2007, 04:27:33 PM » |
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If you're just going to have the flywheel surfaced, plan on being down for a day if they can't get it done in an hour or so and are actually open on a Saturday if you do it on the weekend.
Pilot bushing can be bought from any parts store. If you haven't done polyurethane engine and transmission mounts, now would be a good time to do them. When putting the LTs on, don't tighten them before putting the bellhousing back on because it'll be a bit tighter fit trying to get the bell back in with them hanging there. It's also a good time to replace u-joints if they've never been changed.
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« Reply #44 on: September 16, 2007, 04:49:30 PM » |
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f*** LT headers. That is all.
Timebomb... brad right?
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« Reply #45 on: September 16, 2007, 04:55:46 PM » |
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If Kevin is kind enough to help you, I'd say go for it. For someone who's been through the process a couple times, it's pretty easy.  Impact tools are a bonus, but if you don't have 'em, do what Andy said and use PB blaster. As far as the L/Ts... are you thinking about installing these with a stock K-member?
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« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2007, 05:03:45 PM » |
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Stock K-member, most likely yes. Unless there's a really good deal out there on a reputable brand. Will the stock K give me some trouble? Luckily, I got myself an impact gun. Remember how I couldn't figure out how to operate it at first?  I also have PB blaster and if those don't do it, I have a torch which for some reason, absolutely love using. About the flywheel, I was thinking about getting a brand new aluminum Firenze flywheel. I've heard they're good, but I've heard people mention alum flywheels aren't the best for street car. Any thoughts? Andy, good call on the mounts. Would anyone have a recommendation on a specific brand of mounts and where I might be able to get them for the best price possible? Thanks again all.
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« Reply #47 on: September 16, 2007, 05:05:40 PM » |
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They'll fit fine with the stock k-member.
Summitracing.com is the best place to get the mounts. Get the Energy Suspension mounts...you can get the engine and trans mounts as a kit.
Lots of people say that aluminum flywheels aren't great for the street. They take a little getting used to because you have to slip the clutch a little more since there isn't as much weight to keep the engine revved up when taking off from a stop. It'll make the engine rev a good bit quicker and make it feel much more peppy. They do cost a pretty penny though. Without many engine mods it may not be worth the extra cost. If you do buy an al. flywheel or a billet steel one, make absolute sure you're getting a 50oz imbalance!!! I ended up with a 28oz imbalance flywheel and it shook the engine like it had parkinsons.
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« Reply #48 on: September 16, 2007, 05:37:58 PM » |
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Start the clock......
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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2007, 06:34:12 PM » |
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I stand by what I said about building an engine. Not to mention the fact that nowadays it is infinitely cheaper to buy an engine ready to go than it is to build it. Cara's engine is still down over 100rwhp from where it was before. I don't see belt slip and tuning picking that up.
FYI to all, SteAve must not be so good at math. 370 - 369 = 1 RWHP My non-broken in motor is at the same horsepower that my old setup with a goofy dyno cal was at.
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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2007, 07:02:22 PM » |
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Cara, I noticed just now you're running a Spec Stage II clutch. How do you like it? Any cons with it?
Oh, and thanks for the reply Andy. I'll go price shopping tomorrow and hopefully, have everything I need to order online done by tomorrow or Tuesday.
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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2007, 07:07:37 PM » |
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You don't need that much clutch Michael. The King Cobra kit will do you fine. I ordered a Billet flywheel, King Cobra clutch kit, and a pilot bearing from D&D and it was less than $400 to my door.
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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2007, 07:12:23 PM » |
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Oh I know it's overkill but I guess it appealed to me because if I ever got some more power, I'd still have a clutch that can still hold back. But, seeing how I don't see myself getting a HCI package ANYTIME soon, I might as well get a still strong clutch that is affordable and has good street manners.
Really, I'm probably going to wind up either with a King Cobra or Centerforce Dual Friction clutch. I hear the Dual Frictions have an amazingly soft pedal feel which sounds great in stop and go traffic.
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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2007, 07:24:11 PM » |
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Cara, I noticed just now you're running a Spec Stage II clutch. How do you like it? Any cons with it Michael, I like the Stage II for my application, noticable improvement over stock. The manufacturing wasn't too impressive, I had to send it back a couple times before I got a good disk, but the Spec people were very helpful once I sent them the measurements of the hub.
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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2007, 07:48:33 PM » |
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FYI to all, SteAve must not be so good at math. 370 - 369 = 1 RWHP
My non-broken in motor is at the same horsepower that my old setup with a goofy dyno cal was at. 
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« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2007, 08:16:04 PM » |
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Oh I know it's overkill but I guess it appealed to me because if I ever got some more power, I'd still have a clutch that can still hold back. But, seeing how I don't see myself getting a HCI package ANYTIME soon, I might as well get a still strong clutch that is affordable and has good street manners.
Really, I'm probably going to wind up either with a King Cobra or Centerforce Dual Friction clutch. I hear the Dual Frictions have an amazingly soft pedal feel which sounds great in stop and go traffic.
The King Cobra clutch is holding up very well in my car. If you're not going HCI with supercharger then it will do you very well.
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« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2007, 09:30:17 PM » |
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I had a king cobra and loved it. I bought it used for $50 (  from as friends ride he wrecked 100 miles after the clutch install) and it lasted a good 20-30 passes, several on slicks, as well as being daily beaten(not no daily driver, daily beaten!!) for about 10-15K miles before it started to show signs of slipping
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