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« on: September 14, 2007, 08:26:02 PM » |
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I knew my TOB was making some noise but driving home tonight, it began making the unholiest, howliest noises I've ever heard from it. Each and every time I push the clutch in, 95% of the time, my car howls excruciatingly loud....and I can't stand it. Not to mention some audiible chatter even when the clutch wasn't even being pressed. Besides that, my clutch seemed kinda limp as well tonight and I was praying it wouldn't go out on my before I got home. So....looks like since I definitely need to replace my TOB, I want to replace the clutch, flywheel, and the other needed parts. How hard are we talking here? I've never even attempted to even drop my tranny so I'm an absolute noob at this stuff. Is this a job that is actually kinda easy or am I in for an ass raping? If attainable, I'd definitely want to this by myself so I can save some major cash and at the same time, gain experience from it. So any hints, tips, tricks, guides regarding this matter would be greatly appreciated. Life is going to suck f***ing balls for me for the next couple of weeks. I'm pissed as s***. 
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2007, 08:32:37 PM » |
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You're in for an ass raping. It's not something I ever want to do by myself again without access to a lift, stand jacks and air tools.
Get a lightweight flywheel (make sure it comes with the correct pressure plate to flywheel bolts!) and a King Cobra clutch kit off Ebay.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2007, 08:37:25 PM » |
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Tranny? 
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2007, 08:41:27 PM » |
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THIS BELONGS IN TECH!!!
With that said, it's simple man.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2007, 08:42:16 PM » |
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I've done a T-56 a couple times by myself, and that is a LOT bigger than a T-5. T-5 is teeny weeny, you'll have no problem.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2007, 08:48:09 PM » |
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THIS BELONGS IN TECH!!!
With that said, it's simple man.
Did you use a lift or did you just crawl under there and yank the b**** out? Would you say the biggest pain would be getting the tranny out in the first place? Do you know of any guides or good tech threads anywhere that might explain the process? I would of gone through my Haynes and Chilton's manual about this but my brother has them atm. Thanks a ton dude.
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2007, 09:01:33 PM » |
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The most difficult thing for me was to get the tranny separated from the bellhousing, that sumb**** was practically GLUED to the alignment dowels. Don't pry. Shake and wiggle. Not sure of any tech threads in particular but I'm sure a quick clutch title search would show net you a how-to thread.
I just crawled under there and basically bench-pressed it. It's light enough that it's not even worth d***ing around with a jack.
I don't think anything really is too big of a pain, it's a pretty straight-forward job. Clutch will come with a clutch alignment tool, make sure everything is straight and lined up. If you have trouble getting the trans in the last 1/2" or so you might need to hook up the cable and have some step on the clutch pedal a little to let it slip in.
Want to get a drip pan under the tailshaft when you remove the driveshaft. For that, you need a 12mm 12pt wrench, and then a larger wrench and you basically double them up, if you need a pic of what I mean I can take one. Use one wrench to extend the 12mm.
Get some brake cleaner and thoroughly spray down the flywheel, clutch disc, and pressure plate before installing. Careful not to get greasy hands on anything.
Replace your pilot bushing/bearing while you are in there.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2007, 09:03:41 PM » |
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Doubling up the wrenches is fun until they slip and you hit something that's got a ragged edge and doesn't move 
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2007, 09:04:45 PM » |
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Its easy with jackstands and a floor jack.
Oh yea, a pry bar and a big f***ing hammer help too.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2007, 09:07:49 PM » |
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Doubling up the wrenches is fun until they slip and you hit something that's got a ragged edge and doesn't move   Yeah I always wear gloves, and hold one hand at the joint, and pull the wrenches towards me if I can so that I don't bash them on something. Is there a better way to do it?
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2007, 09:10:29 PM » |
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Piece of cake man! With all the parts ordered, and at your place, it could be done in a couple hours. First time doing it, start a little before noon, and you should be able to go get some drive thru later before they close.
Need me to come over and give a hand?
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2007, 09:16:00 PM » |
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Doubling up the wrenches is fun until they slip and you hit something that's got a ragged edge and doesn't move   Yeah I always wear gloves, and hold one hand at the joint, and pull the wrenches towards me if I can so that I don't bash them on something. Is there a better way to do it? Not really. Just have to hope that you don't lose focus when putting a lot of pressure on it  I usually only hurt myself doing that when I get distracted or get really pissed at a nut that doesn't want to budge.
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2007, 09:22:42 PM » |
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A piece of pipe over a wrench works pretty well, but sometimes you just have to go for the wrench on wrench russian roulette.
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2007, 09:41:18 PM » |
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The hardest part for me was getting the exhaust apart and back together. The actual install of the tranny is pretty straight forward.
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2007, 09:46:30 PM » |
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Oh yeah forgot about that. f***ing H-Pipe! First time taking my H-pipe off took FOREVER because my nuts and studs were in such horrible shape.
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2007, 09:52:48 PM » |
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I had lots of fun worming the bellhousing past my long tubes 
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2007, 04:52:58 AM » |
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You should be able to pay someone $300-$400 to do it.
Pay them to do it. It's not worth the trouble. Not to mention the fact that if you screw it up, all these guys telling you how easy it is aren't going to drive you back and forth to work, or pay for the clutch and flywheel you f***ed up.
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2007, 05:55:28 AM » |
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Intead of pipe and whatnot, get a breaker bar from Vatozone or something. Cheap and effective.
If you haven't done a trans drop before, and NEED this car to get around, I'd say I agree with Steave.
If you can lay it up a few days and have some time to kill, give it a crack. It's all a balance of how much you value your time at vs. your skill level and how much time it will take.
It won't just fly outta there. Being a southern vehicle you probably won't have rusted bolts and crud to deal with, so that's a plus.
Also, if you do, get a plastic dead-blow hammer for the persuasion end of things.
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2007, 08:05:51 AM » |
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f*** $300-$400. There is nothing complicated about it. You can get it done. He's biased since he works in a shop and tries to keep them all in business with minor projects like this.  Just like he told Cara that she couldn't build her engine. I she can build an engine (not a knock on her by any means), you can replace a clutch foo!
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« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2007, 09:06:10 AM » |
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Intead of pipe and whatnot, get a breaker bar from Vatozone or something. Cheap and effective.
If you haven't done a trans drop before, and NEED this car to get around, I'd say I agree with Steave.
If you can lay it up a few days and have some time to kill, give it a crack. It's all a balance of how much you value your time at vs. your skill level and how much time it will take.
It won't just fly outta there. Being a southern vehicle you probably won't have rusted bolts and crud to deal with, so that's a plus.
Also, if you do, get a plastic dead-blow hammer for the persuasion end of things.
I like Ralph's answer, it is a time vs money thing. I wouldn't mess with buying a lightened flywheel, it isn't necessary. Have your old one resurfaced at your local Napa/machine shop that does that. If you wanted to order a billet unit I could see that and would recommend buying one from D&D and getting their King Cobra Clutch kit. The task of doing this is a lot easier if you've got a friend to help you start bolts etc while you are holding things. Some really long extensions help along with having some swivels. It's up to you man, but if you've got the time I think it's within your ability to do. You remember not to force things when putting it back together. As much as you have going on and it being your only transportation it might be a better idea to pay someone and be done with it.. You just need to figure out how much your time is worth and expect it's going to take you longer than the average joe that has done this before.
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2007, 09:47:45 AM » |
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Yes it is a money vs time aspect, but I really don't think he makes $300 a night. If the project was started on a saturday morning, and he doesn't work saturday night, I really can't see anything that could prevent the car from being driveable that night. unless the wrong parts were ordered. Tampa's no small town, so picking up the correct clutch, flywheel, or T?O bearing wouldn't be a problem. In fact, a good friend in tampa just finished some automotive school, and it a big mustang guy. He's been f***ed six ways till sunday when it comes to trans in his blown mustang. He can swap tremecs in a parking lot in about an hour. He replaced the shift lugs in a friends car in my garage in about 2 hours.
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2007, 10:04:21 AM » |
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Kevin, this is Michael, "shrader valve" Chowder we're talking about here. This would be a weekend long ordeal at the minimum. 
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2007, 10:06:41 AM » |
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It would be cheaper to fix it yourself and rent a car for a week than it would be to pay some shop and hope they don't take any shortcuts.
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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2007, 10:19:52 AM » |
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Kevin, this is Michael, "shrader valve" Chowder we're talking about here. This would be a weekend long ordeal at the minimum.  No, a friend and I could come down, do it in an afternoon, have Michael buy dinner, and everyone all good!  Sadly, I just want an excuse to go to Tampa for dinner. Skyline Chili > *
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2007, 11:10:54 AM » |
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Thanks for the replies.
I don't necessarily NEED my car right now because when my car is down, I usually take my mothers. The b**** part I was talking about is how I have to wake up, drive her to work, come home, rest for like an hour or two, then go to school/work/whatever. If I would be doing this for only like a week or so, I guess that would be worth it to save $300-$400 no?
Think I'm gonna make a thread in the corral about this as well. The more opinoins I can get, the better I'll feel. Besides, someone might of just recently done it and can tell me the low down on it.
Kevin, thanks for the offer man I appreciate it. If it's cool, I'd like to attempt this myself at first and then if I'm having some major trouble, I'll let you know so you can come down if you want. Don't want to drag you out here if I'm flying through it, ha.
Thanks again everyone. Any other replies would still be appreciated.
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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2007, 11:13:17 AM » |
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On a plus side, I was thinking about this.
I have my full exhaust just chillin' in my living room. Since I'm going to be at least removing the stock h-pipe, might as well yank out everything and do my exhaust at the same time right?
I was waiting for a good opportunity to do my exhaust. I think this qualifies as this type of opportunity.
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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2007, 11:13:21 AM » |
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It would be cheaper to fix it yourself and rent a car for a week than it would be to pay some shop and hope they don't take any shortcuts.
Correction. It would be cheaper for you because you've done it plenty of times and have a lot more tools and mechanical know-how than him. It took him what, 3 months on the schrader valve issue? 
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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2007, 11:15:15 AM » |
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On a plus side, I was thinking about this.
I have my full exhaust just chillin' in my living room. Since I'm going to be at least removing the stock h-pipe, might as well yank out everything and do my exhaust at the same time right?
I was waiting for a good opportunity to do my exhaust. I think this qualifies as this type of opportunity.
This is the perfect time to do the exhaust. Long tube headers, right? You should let Kevin and his friend come down and at least supervise in case something comes up so you don't have to sit around with your thumb up your ass waiting for a response on here or the Corral.
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