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« on: November 07, 2004, 09:19:03 AM » |
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Here it is.. When I've been driving for over 30 minutes, if I shut the car off and try to restart it, it fights the start.almost like a dying battery.. (battery is 6 months old) I replaced the starter once before (last year I think) could the starter be going again? or would it be something else? and how can I diagnos it with out taking the car to a repair shop to get the battery/stater checked (last resort)?
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Evil95GT
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2004, 12:05:36 PM » |
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By any chance are you running long tube headers? I had the same problem you speak of, and it was due to the starter becoming "heat soaked".
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2004, 04:39:58 PM » |
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nope.. I have the stock manifolds still on it. it's pissing me off.. I don't want to change the starter and have it be something else.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2004, 04:49:16 PM » |
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Could your alternator possibly be taking a crap? That happened to me last October. Turns out my car was running on the battery alone, and I ended up strandes somewhere because of it. Are all your grounds making good contact? With stock headers, no way in hell is it affecting your starter.  |
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2004, 04:54:50 PM » |
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Man, I woulda' thought what Michelle mentioned. Had the same problem with a 1976 Cordoba that the stock pipe was right under. Might want to see how close your exhaust is to the starter anyways.
If your charging system is working good (put a volt meter on it, should be 13 - 13.5 volts) then it's not the battery either because there is no reason then for battery drain. It would be hard to start right from the begining.
Just as an extra test if you have a battery load tester test the battery right before you start it and 30 minutes after driving when you have the problem. Some load testers will also give you a reading of starter draw. Readings at both times would be helpful too. Load tester is a wise investment. Saved me many problems.
Good luck,
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2004, 07:50:06 PM » |
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alt is good, replaced that about 3 months ago...I'm showing 13 volts.... I hate this s***! I wish my car could friggin talk.. I guess I'll get a starter, throw it in and see what happens.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2004, 08:31:14 PM » |
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I'd hesitate to dump any money until you try the free stuff first. Like I mentioned about the bad ground.........that's a possibility. I can't imagine a starter dying after only a year.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2004, 07:50:43 AM » |
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Drive it 30 minutes to a shop you trust. They will usually gladly put an amp draw meter on it for nothing, or maybe $10, to see if it is the starter. Could be cheaper than just getting a new starter and shooting in the dark.
Steve
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2004, 02:35:49 PM » |
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Pull the starter and have it tested for free at AutoZone.
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2004, 04:08:27 PM » |
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Myself and two of my friends with 5.0's have had the same problem and it was the stader (not sure if that is how you spell it) It is part of the distributor and with time it just does not stand up to the heat. You can buy this peice seperate or a whole new distributor if that is the problem.
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2004, 05:04:33 PM » |
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The stator was bad on my '86 tbird turbocoupe and it just would not start, at all. His problem sounds starter related.
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2004, 05:10:12 PM » |
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Pull the starter and have it tested for free at AutoZone.
But it needs to be hot (when the problem occurs) and that's why I didn't suggest testing it this way. Steve |
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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2004, 06:01:36 PM » |
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The stator was bad on my '86 tbird turbocoupe and it just would not start, at all. His problem sounds starter related.
Could be. I do however know that my friends' cars started (eventually) with this problem for at least a month and mine was doing it for a while too. Depends on the car I suppose. |
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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2004, 06:56:17 PM » |
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Drive it 30 minutes to a shop you trust. They will usually gladly put an amp draw meter on it for nothing, or maybe $10, to see if it is the starter. Could be cheaper than just getting a new starter and shooting in the dark.
Steve
I don't trust any shops... the only place I can take it (that I trust) is to Dwayne Guthridges shops (Big Daddy) my buddy works for him, but he's an hour away and I have to take a day off... I thought about that thing on the dist, but this just started to happen this week.. and this morning I noticed a little hesitation when I started it.. but the starters are cheap with the core charge, I'll sheck the grounds again, and then replase the POS starter.. if it still does it, I replace the module on the dist.. and if it STILL does it, I'll burn the f***ing thing. |
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2004, 07:43:10 PM » |
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Just remember Joe...........always start with the cheapest, and work your way up.  |
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« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2004, 11:04:19 AM » |
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I usually do... but I like to get things fixed asap.... I hate waiting...lol!
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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2004, 05:23:14 PM » |
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the timing could be off also....run it for a little bit till it starts to get warm, shut it off and see if it does the same thing.....if it doesnt its more than likely the timing
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« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2004, 06:35:01 PM » |
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I'll recheck the timeing, but I honestly don't think it's that.. I'm constantly checking timing (almost every weekend.don't ask me why, I just get bored) and it's beent eh same for the past couple months... but the weird thing is, today it was a nice warm 40 degrees out side and it didn't give me any s*** when I tried starting it after I drove the 45 min ride home from work... huh! go figure.. the one night I am going to try and diagnos it with the tips I've been getting it doesn't do it.. f***ing pos.
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2004, 08:57:51 AM » |
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That's because they are alive and can detect your intentions. I learned that while I was an auto tech.  Steve |
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2004, 10:11:29 AM » |
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Yeah I know.... she's being a little b****..
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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2004, 12:31:42 AM » |
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Could also be the TFI module
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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2004, 01:22:06 AM » |
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I’m thinking it’s a power/ground problem. Intermittent TFI module trouble wouldn’t cause slow starter cranking. And starter heat soak wouldn’t be an issue with the stock exhaust. Check your cables. Both the power cable to the starter and the ground to the timing cover. They are susceptible to changes in compartment temperature. And if all else fails see if Tara will sell you her   |
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2004, 06:54:12 AM » |
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loL! it hasn't done it in a while now, so who the f*** know what it was..... I do need to change the grounds though..
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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2004, 07:10:40 AM » |
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I’m thinking it’s a power/ground problem. Intermittent TFI module trouble wouldn’t cause slow starter cranking. And starter heat soak wouldn’t be an issue with the stock exhaust. Check your cables. Both the power cable to the starter and the ground to the timing cover. They are susceptible to changes in compartment temperature. And if all else fails see if Tara will sell you her I call ditto on this./ The wires could be gaining resistance after all of those years. As the temp increases in the wires, the resistance increases. |
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2004, 08:58:29 AM » |
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I'll probably order the new one along with the cross member, and throw out bearing.. do it all at once.
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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2005, 08:04:24 PM » |
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I just had this problem and It was the starter. But make sure you check, clean, and tighten all the electrical connections.
It certainly could be the starter, where did you buy it at, was it new or reman? Some remans don't last long at all.
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2005, 03:15:14 AM » |
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A friend of mine had the same problem. His ended up being a wire that goes to one on the terminals. Neutral terminal I believe. His went from the terminal to the wheel well right next to the coil. Try checking that. Good luck. If you can not figure out what I am talking about let me know and I'll take a picture of it and post it for ya.
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2005, 05:22:51 AM » |
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it hasn't done since I posted this, but thanks, I'll be changing out all my cable once the new motor goes in (hopefully May/June sometime.)
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