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« on: January 23, 2006, 06:02:48 PM » |
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I'm looking at this aviator block on my freshly-purchased Advance Auto engine stand and wondering what to do next.
Wondering what parts I can leave there, what I have to swap from my grenaded motor.
Y'know.
And wondering where the mod motor gurus are found. Besides Corral, I searched like a motherf***er there and nobody has basic rebuild info.
Help?
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2006, 06:04:29 PM » |
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right here ralph ask and ye shall receive  |
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F*** that, more is better...excess is best...rock the f*** on Just stop typing. Please. For the love of God. Cry me a river. Then build a bridge and get over it.  |
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2006, 06:05:26 PM » |
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2006, 06:05:45 PM » |
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2006, 06:08:04 PM » |
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Don't know, try this. http://forums.modulardepot.com/Did a quick search and found it. a little late I guess. |
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Don't race it if you're afraid to break it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2006, 06:08:12 PM » |
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now ill who to ask in the summer when i want to build mine..
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2006, 06:09:54 PM » |
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You are not messing with the rotating assy right?
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2006, 06:14:50 PM » |
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You are not messing with the rotating assy right?
Nah, that's staying intact for now. I've got the head gasket/header gasket/bolt kit coming from Summit so that part's covered. I just don't know what the difference is going to be in tensioner setup, what gaskets I'm going to need for that front timing cover, what other gaskets I'll need. s*** like that. My boy Dan's probably doing most of the actual labor but I'd like to know what's goin' on, lol. Just wondering if there was a catch-all thread out there that listed all the necessary gaskets, etc, maybe someone that knows the difference between the Aviator and Teksid blocks. That s***. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2006, 06:16:48 PM » |
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i heard the teksid blocks can handle up around 1000hp
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2006, 06:19:48 PM » |
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All the aluminum blocks can handle lots of horsies, the hyperretarded pistons and rods are the weak points.
Even my cast avi crank is good for around 500 horsies, the forged ones even more. Too bad the sticks and slugs suck.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2006, 06:22:30 PM » |
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i see. i want to pick up 4v motor to tear apart
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2006, 06:26:00 PM » |
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Stock block + forged (cobra?) crank + h-beams or Probe Lightweight I-Beams + forged pistons + turbo = easy 1000HP.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2006, 06:26:39 PM » |
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Just get an aviator bottom end and some B heads. B heads are dirt cheap and the avi lowers are almost as cheap. Cast crank but that's bout the difference.
I got my avi bottom end with 15k miles for $300. Can't beat that with a stick.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2006, 06:27:39 PM » |
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Stock block + forged (cobra?) crank + h-beams or Probe Lightweight I-Beams + forged pistons + turbo = easy 1000HP.
Yeah like I said, don't stress on the block or forged crank ever. 'Tis the stuff hooked to it that breaks. And puts holes in the nice aluminum blocks.  |
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2006, 06:56:39 PM » |
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What are B heads from?
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2006, 06:58:17 PM » |
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Any pre-99 DOHC.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2006, 08:19:37 PM » |
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custom timing cover?
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Don't race it if you're afraid to break it.
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2006, 11:50:37 AM » |
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www.corner-carvers.com/pushes Ralph into the shark infested waters Seriously: it's possiible you may find what you're looking for there, but keep your mouth zipped up tighter than a seal-a-meal. Read, read, search, search, if you find someone you know there, like Fraser, PM. Just whatever you do, realize they will eat you like chum in the water. They are brutal. They are evil. They are all-knowing. I don't go there, I don't have to get my nails dirty wrenching. Good luck. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2006, 11:57:52 AM » |
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Just get an aviator bottom end and some B heads. B heads are dirt cheap and the avi lowers are almost as cheap. Cast crank but that's bout the difference.
I got my avi bottom end with 15k miles for $300. Can't beat that with a stick.
The techsid blocks are much stronger then the aviator blocks. If you can find pictures of them its pretty obvious in the construction, theres a lot more meat to the techsid blocks. Why did ford switch? Techsid was a european company owned by Fiat and did the blocks for Ferrari, among other cars. They eventually got sold or something and Ford lost its contract so they did there aluminum blocks inhouse. I'm sure they would have had no problem with aluminum blocks for the 03/04 cobras if they were techsid but questioned the reliability of the aviator blocks with the supercharged setup. |
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2006, 12:04:18 PM » |
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here is the techsid block  The first thing you'll notice is how a lot of material is instead replaced with webbing, this is from a mach 1 but its the same block as the aviator  Also notice how a lot of edges are radiused on the techsid in the castings were there not on the aviator? |
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2006, 04:06:11 PM » |
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Oh no one denies that the teksid is the better block, but for all intents and purposes you go through rods and pistons before you risk block breakage. That's what I was getting at.
If you're going big, then the italian block is the way to go. If you're going mild, under 650ish, the avi block will be fine. If you're staying under 550, the cast crank even holds!
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