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« on: November 19, 2008, 04:03:35 AM »

First of all I'd like to thank all those who replied to my clutch cable post.I went with a BBK FWA and a Ford Racing clutch, fork, cable and quadrant. All seems well now.

My next problem I noticed is a fast idle, about 1500-1800 RPM. I thought it may be a loose or detatched vac line but I checked every line I could see and they all seemed to be tight with no leaks. Any suggestions?
Are there any vac lines I can plug off?
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2008, 08:29:21 AM »

Before thinking about doing anything else, have you tried cleaning the MAF and IAC thoroughly?
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2008, 02:22:46 PM »

I agree with Chowder Head, before you do anything major, I would clean the MAF and IAC.

I do have a few questions though. Is this the stock motor? If not, what mods have been done? When did the problem start?
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2008, 04:26:04 PM »

You're gonna have a little trouble cleaning the mass-air sensor on a speed density car. Just sayin'.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2008, 04:37:47 PM »

You're gonna have a little trouble cleaning the mass-air sensor on a speed density car. Just sayin'.

That's why I asked it it was stock. Wink
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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2008, 04:16:56 AM »

Actually, thinking back, the fast idle started after I installed BBK X pipes and full length headers.
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2008, 12:42:48 PM »

Is this still a speed density or have you converted it to mass-air?
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 10:52:28 AM »

I believe it's still SD rather than MA. Exactly what is the difference between the two? thanks kim
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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2008, 06:46:13 AM »

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The speed density system is best described as a calculation procedure used by the electronic engine control(ECC) module that involves predetermined operating parameter values, volumetric efficiency tables, pre-measured airflow-through-the-engine values,and the known volume of fuel delivery required per combustion event for a single cylinder. Management of fuel and spark functions is based mainly on a predetermined range of pre-programmed data and also on real-time feedback data from an array of sensors.

The "speed" signal is based on the calculated volume of a single cylinder. The "density" signal is a function of temperature and pressure measurements. To determine an engine's fuel delivery requirements, the speed density system infers airflow from several monitored sources, including engine speed(in RPM), intake manifold absolute pressure(MAP, to determine load), manifold absolute temperature(MAT), throttle position, the oxygen content of the exhaust(via a heated lambda-sond sensor or sensors), engine coolant temperature and battery voltage.

There is no airflow sensor(airflow meter) in the speed density system. Signals form the manifold absolute pressure sensor relate operating conditions that are translated into relationships(engine-speed-to-load-to-throttle position, for example). The EEC then compares this data to ideal data curves based on the engine's volumetric efficiency. The speed density computer is pre-programmed for the desired fuel, ignition, and EGR characteristics, and it makes continuous(metering, timing, and cycling) adjustments based on those pre-mapped relationships.

Observations made by Ford Motor Company indicate that a 1987 speed density H.O. Mustang will out-accelerate an 1989-93 mass-airflow Mustang(with the slighlty revised 1989 camshaft) by .2 second in the quarter mile. A speed density car will also outrun comparable mass-airflow cars in top speed ability.
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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2008, 06:49:08 AM »

basically the computer doesn't "learn" any changes made to the motor. I believe that's why a lot of people convert to a mass-airflow system. Smiley
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« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2008, 09:27:12 PM »

I found the problem!
It was a vac leak. a 3/8 " hose came off of the lower intake (it ran to the upper).
Thank you everyone who replied to my post with suggestions and info! I appreciate it.
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2008, 07:46:19 AM »

I'm glad this was a simple problem and you fixed it quickly. Smiley
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