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« on: April 12, 2006, 06:46:58 PM »

Several questions, so I figured might as well knock them down in one thread.

All these questions retain to my upcoming engine swap.  A friend is building a Dart 331, and decided to sell me his H/C/I off his 302.  Then we decided since he wasn't going to keep the lower end, that we would just swap longblock.  Here's the engine:



He is keeping the TB, EGR spacer, the injectors, mass air meter, and intake spacer.  He got 42s and matching Pro-M when he bought a S-Trim last month, and sold me those with the engine.  I'm currently searching for a TB and EGR spacer, and I've already brought up that subject, so I'll skip that.

First question, my already skipping king cobra clutch isn't going to hold up to the 450ish rwhp I should have.  This engine with 13-14psi via novi 100 put down 442 running rich as hell from a FMU.  I fugre with the 42s, a tune it should be 450rwhp.  The car is mostly a street car, so I don't want an extremely heavy clutch.  Spec stage 2 maybe?  Any ideas?

Question two.  Since the engine will be out, I plan to replace the badly worn out stock ones.  Any ideas on what to use.  I believe i remember hearing the vert motor mounts drop the engine a bit?  That might be a good idea since I'll be running an intake space due to the tall valve covers. 

Question three.  I've only even yanked an engine WITH the T5.  I see no reason to this time.  How exactly does one go about yanking an engine without the t5?  I'm guessing you yank the upper, and then have room to reach down to the bellhousing bolts?  Any imput is welcome

Question four.  I plan on moving my gauges around.  I currently have two in the center vents, and my fuel pressure gauge outside on the cowl.  I plan to move my boost guage over to the left hand side of the stock gauge closter as shown here:



That will let me move my fuel pressure gauge inside once I buy a new electric one.  Anyone ever installed one of these?  I don't even have a clue how it goes it, but I'm guessing it can't be that bad.
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« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2006, 09:33:40 PM »

That will let me move my fuel pressure gage inside once I buy a new electric one.  Anyone ever installed one of these?  I don't even have a clue how it goes it, but I'm guessing it can't be that bad.


Installing an electric fuel pressure gage is a piece of cake.  If I remember correctly, it comes with a sending unit you screw into the pressure fitting on your fuel rail.  I don't remember buying the sending unit separate, but it's been a while.  You might want to buy adapters so you can angle it up, or away from any obstructions, such as wire loom separators and what not.  Also has a wiring harness that you have to snake inside your car.  I shielded my harness with that plastic tubing inside the engine bay to protect it from heat, and ran it alongside my passenger side injector harness, and then across the backside of the motor along the firewall, and in thru the rubber boot around my steering shaft. 

Once inside, it plugs into the back of your gage.  The directions are pretty self explanatory.



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« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2006, 10:14:26 PM »

Question two.  Since the engine will be out, I plan to replace the badly worn out stock ones.  Any ideas on what to use.  I believe i remember hearing the vert motor mounts drop the engine a bit?  That might be a good idea since I'll be running an intake space due to the tall valve covers. 

Just speaking from my experiences;  I have a vert and am running vert mounts.  I ran a 1/2 inch plenum spacer with my stock manifold and hood with no problems.  BUT, my KB 1500 would not fit under the stock hood (with no spacer).  Even when it was advertised to do so.

And the RPM II I was running, and the Systemax II (both using a 1" spacer) didn't fit under the stock hood either.  I can't tell you anything about other intakes, only those. 
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« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2006, 11:02:38 PM »

Thanks for the info on the gauge.  I'll have to look at his setup, as he has an electric fuel pressure gauge, but the blower is RIGHT there, and I think it would be a problem.  Looks like I'll find out.  We cruised over to a local hangout tonight in the car.  Man my engine sound/pulls great!  LOL
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« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2006, 11:39:52 PM »

Holy crap, I've dealt with http://www.jdsperformance.com/ before, and they always have the best prices.  I just noticed their web site says their shop is here in Orlando.  Shocked  Looks like I know where I'll be buying my clutch, and possibly a renegade 8" crank pulley.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2006, 12:43:08 PM »

Hey Kevin, I don't know what size EGR spacer you need, but I have an extra 70mm if you are intersted. 


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« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2006, 02:22:41 AM »

Leave the bell housing on the engine, just pull the trans off and yank everything else out together. If you've got a load leveler you can even leave longtubes on.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2006, 06:56:06 PM »

Well today started the work.  I started to remove things from the engine bay in prep for yanking the engine shortly.  We'll call this the "before" shot...



 Shocked Yeah, I know.  It was daily driven for over a year, and then recently the oil feed line started to leak, thus covering the engine bay with a nice coat of oil

I think I need to clean this K&N?



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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2006, 07:37:12 PM »

Going to clean up the engine bay prior to dropping in the new powerplant?
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2006, 07:55:53 PM »

Going to clean up the engine bay prior to dropping in the new powerplant?


 LOL Yup, simple green is going to be my good friend!
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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2006, 09:37:19 AM »

She's off...



Yeah, a little dirity.  LOL



Air filter is not looking that bad.  I thought it would be a lot dirtier.



Here you can see the caked on oil mess now covered in dust/dirt.  I think my hands will never be white again.

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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2006, 09:50:34 AM »

Hey suspension people, anything look wrong in this pic?



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« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2006, 10:04:56 AM »

that sway bar link looks to be in top condition LOL



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« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2006, 10:52:11 AM »

that sway bar link looks to be in top condition LOL




yeah i'll say LOL

looks like it is coming along slowly
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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2006, 01:05:21 PM »

Looks like it's been beating away at your spring there too.
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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2006, 04:29:44 PM »

Alright, new question.  I HATE installing header/h-pipes due to the header to h-pipe bolts.  Can I leave those alone, simply unbolt the headers from the heads, and yank the engine like that?
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2006, 05:46:30 PM »

Google finally approved of this little vid on my car.  This is the last time she ran with the stock 5.0 + S-Trim combo

<a href="http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-7882758793747590549" target="_blank">http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-7882758793747590549</a>
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2006, 05:48:12 PM »

Yes, but it's not going to be fun putting them back on the motor. I find it easier to the header/h-pipe bolts myself, just get a super long extension and you're golden. You can go about it that way but getting the headers to line up to the bolt holes is hard when the h-pipe is tugging the headers backwards.
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2006, 08:35:34 PM »

Well I decided to yank the headers.  Got all the locking clips off(stage 8 locking bolts), and went under to get the nuts off the header to h-pipe bolts.  Got all 4 of those easily off.  Removed the bolts, and the dirvers header came off fine.  On the passanger side, I was down to 2 bolts left.  One was hitting the 4 tybes from the header(can't think of the exact term), so I decided to remve the other bolt, thus I could then pull the header away from the head a bit, and get the last bolt out.  So I go to loosen the 2nd to last bolt...and it strips.  Beef

This is going to be fun
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2006, 08:54:46 PM »

There's a method to the madness, for future reference. Loosen all bolts up, then go back and remove the 2 inner bolts, and then remove the 2 outer bolts, loosening each evenly as you go.

BTW, the word you're looking for is primaries.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2006, 09:07:34 PM »

There's a method to the madness, for future reference. Loosen all bolts up, then go back and remove the 2 inner bolts, and then remove the 2 outer bolts, loosening each evenly as you go.

BTW, the word you're looking for is primaries.

Yeah, thats the word.

See, dirvers side came off fine.  The red RVT was still holding just fine.  I had to yank the header from the head.



Yup, I'm sure making some progress under the hood.



f***in' header bolts



Here you can see the one thats slightly hitting the primary, and the one on the left thats now striped.  Angry



All in all, despite her faded paint, oil leaks, and random stripped bolts, she's still an accident free, rust free car...




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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2006, 10:01:11 PM »

Nice redneck-fix on the thermactor tubing. LOL
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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2006, 10:15:49 PM »

I might not have stripped the damn bolt if the freakin' smog line wasn't there.  Oh well, the new engine sure won't have any smog lines.  Cool
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2006, 06:15:51 AM »

why didn't you just wait to take the headers off after the engine was out?Huh
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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2006, 08:34:37 AM »

why didn't you just wait to take the headers off after the engine was out?Huh

I figured this way it would make it easier to yank the engine.
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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2006, 08:55:06 AM »

why didn't you just wait to take the headers off after the engine was out?Huh

I figured this way it would make it easier to yank the engine.
oh, when i pulled mine i left everything on except the air conditioner, power steering, and smog pump and it came out fine with no problems....just had to watch and be careful what was moving when getting it out
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2006, 05:54:30 AM »

Look at all of the holes in the engine bay...


Once it is pulled, you should fill them...
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2006, 12:26:03 AM »

Well I just got home now, around 3am, and since I picked up a set of hex tools from a friend, I decided now as as ever a good time to yank that damn header.  I put the hex in, give a good push.  It moves, but it didn't feel like it should.  I take the hex out and look at it.  I freakin' twisted the head of the hex about 1/4th a turn.  Beef

Tomorrow I will try with some help from fire.  Evil
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